I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced. Robert came clean to his wife about the affair, and then, went on to help the police in their investigation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. Hysteria. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. But if you compare them, and if stranger there was, there are similarities but it is not dead on. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. Not right at all. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. Lived In Phoenix AZ, Salt Lake City UT, Spring TX . This is a fascinating and informative article that has answered some questions I had, and prompted others: 1. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. I have watched her parole hearing. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? Regardless of the facts you point out, there is no doubt in my mind that Diane Downs is guilty. Hugi didnt rush in and take the kids, he had time to consider. And Ann Rule said that the unicorn that was omnipresent in court was part of the premeditation. Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. 5. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. Probably a 911 button. I will post it when I get it. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. She talked to Diane for 15 minutes, there was thebizarre and partialOprah interview that was basically a lets bash Diane event and she wrote to Diane in jail to ask her what she thought of Hugi adopting her children. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. Mr. And he grew up there. It sounds pretty fair to me. This is a conflict of interest. Go to the hate groups for that. See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. A second child, Cheryl, quickly followed in January 1976. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. Barry Sheck and bis crew of investigators should get involved. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. She has come a long way. We make them president. So she warns her to stay away. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. Work: Rising Tide LP - General Partner, Rising Tide LTD Partnership - Chief Executive Officer, knickerbocker investments - owner +1 more. He knows as he was in court and must have photos. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. Read more: ABC News, ABC News (2), Salem News, Salem News (2), Oregon Live, The Washington Post, Murderpedia, Find Law. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. It no longer matters as far as the verdict, she was found guilty, but why no parole? GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. Giving to charity is a meaningful way to honor someone who has died. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. I must humbly admit that I had not questioned the facts of the case before readily accepting this image of Diane as a cold blooded killer. You didnt know that?? Consider offering these words of comfort if you're not sure what's appropriate. And she would have been under supervision. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. It is because she is a high profile person. * Historical, vital, and court records and search results may require an additional purchase. So she could not have shot her kids at the distance determined by the state unless she changed her clothing and it did not come up at trial. How about dads side of the family? Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. They should have left her alone. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. . So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? You have funeral questions, we have answers. Some basic help and starters when you have to write a tribute to someone you love. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. The kids were shorted-changed. Robert has lived in Tucson, AZ in a single family house with Lori. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Fair question. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. Do you remember it would have been around say November 19th of 82 that you would have left Charlene at one time? And it is not like these two were white as snow. In fact, with her continuing to deny committing the crime or expressing remorse, she may never get out. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. Why is there virtually no info on him? There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. I followed the trial. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. If she did have memories of the actual shooting, that would be very rare. The tape is real and probably not admissible, but it seems to indicate that her testimony was coerced: Why is it not admissible? Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. In the blog, there is a link on the subject of bipolar people who tend to laugh at the wrong time. Mind you, it is before the trial. Inside, outside, top to bottom. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. Page 35 of Case History. He was buried at burial place, Arizona. There was a lot of evidence pointing at OJ. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. It was very unfair to raise them away from their grandparents and other blood relatives. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. View their profile including current address, phone number 480-307-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. I look forward to reading your other blogs. Mostly, because it was poorly investigated and they focused on Diane solely the minute they met her. During cross-examination, she said that she witnessed the murders while sitting up and that Cheryl was sitting up on the front seat when she got shot. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. Picture 2, Downs in ; Picture 3, Robert Knickerbocker entering the courtroom with his wife Charkene and sheriff's detective Doug. Robert Knickerbocker in Michigan. Except for Paul Cortez. The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. Mission accomplished: Relevance? What was the justification? Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. Downs brought authorities to the crime scene, where police found spent .22 caliber bullet casings, but could not find a weapon. Thank you Lise. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. To offer your sympathy during this difficult time, you can now have memorial trees planted in a National Forest in memory of your loved one. Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. Christie was it though. She should of been sentenced to death. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. How.. they attacked him. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Downs is said to have claimed that she spotted a bushy-haired man who waved down her car along the desolate road. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Whats next? Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. The prosecutors in the case said that Diane had committed such a heinous act in the hopes of getting back together with one of her previous lovers, Robert Knickerbocker, who had made it known that he didnt want children in his life. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. Thank you for presenting a side of the story & case apart from the usual narrative. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. I will not remove anything. Mr. Additionally, homicide or assault victims shot by someone else can test positive for GSR. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. No gun, no blood or gun residue on her and if she shot them, these elements should have been there. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. The only living witness to the crime was Christie, whose stroke impaired her speech and made her unable to speak to police. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. I am just curious. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. BUT the babies were put in Foster Care before any allegations were made Family has defended and backed Diane for her Innocence clearly from day one The state took them away from all family because family was and is the enemy Related to: Dana Knickerbocker. View their profile including current address, phone number 520-293-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and thats where she first met him. That's insane to think that I would do such a thing and then bring the witnesses in against myself that's crazy.". Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. I would love to hear your answers to them. I do not post rude comments. The whole case is crazy. 3. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. It does not get any bigger than this. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differently we been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence proven. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. On the witness stand, the young girl was asked if she remembered who shot her. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? A prosecutor inventing a new psychiatric category in court and labeling the accused is kind of unsettling. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. Hardly circumstantial or coincidental what are the chances that a bushy haired stranger, masked men, or someone that knew her (take your pick from Dianes ever shifting account) would have the exact same bullets matching to bullets from a gun owned by Diane ? I do not believe that this type of abuse would occur today. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. Phone Number: (520) 293-QPFP +2 phones. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. No matter how horrible people think she is. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. She has done her time in prison and I hope that she gets the chance to get out and spend time with her mother and siblings. Q. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. I think she was the only one there that night with her children. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. My website is in the process of being migrated so it has no photos. Your entry has exceeded the maximum character limit. 2. Not in this case. According to Downs, they had visited a friend in the nearby town of Marcola and were driving back to Springfield along a lonely stretch of highway. There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. Steve knew that Diane had multiple affairs, and that Danny was not his biological son, and he and Diane divorced in 1980. Help tell the story of your loved ones unique life. Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. I think that the US system is barbaric I agree. Diane downs. In December 1979, she gave birth to her son Danny. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. Nice to see this blog is still active in 2017, being a lot of groupsmessage boards and such, on subjects like this has no activity for years. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. It simply states the facts of the case. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. I would like to believe this is the truth. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. Mr. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. Seriously. No services are scheduled at this time. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Spokeo's database, while extensive, does not contain all U.S. warrant, arrest, court, or other related records. Did you read her statements to the parole board in 2008? Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. Robert L Knickerbocker, 63. I was raised by an evil narcissist and have not only seen this kind of behavior before, but I have seen the face of the devil and it is a look of pure evil that gives me the creeps. Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. They finally charged her and she did 10 years for the death of her children. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. I dont know how familiar she was with the area, but I do not think that it matters anyway. (that one is more of a question). I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. When she returned to the hospital, Downs was informed that Cheryl was dead, but her other two children had survived the attack. This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. And Steven would hunt her down anyway and charm his way back into her life. 2. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. May be the guy who says he did it. I say these things if I were on the jury. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. Find 77 people named Robert Knickerbocker along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. She got an apartment and I was going to move in with her. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture: relevance? 1st, you came back from a trip? 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